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Mail on Sunday (London)

January 28, 2007 Sunday

The Supremes killed my sister;
As the film Dream girls paints a sentimental picture of the greatest
girl group ever, the REAL story of how drink and a dark secret
destroyed its most talented singer. . .

BYLINE: WENDY LEIGH

SECTION: FB 04; Pg. 36

LENGTH: 2047 words


WITH their spangly dresses, seductive charm and perfect pop, The
Supremes became one of the greatest girl groups the world of music
has ever produced.

Their songs, such as Baby Love and Stop In The Name Of Love, are as
popular today as they ever were more than 30 years after the famous
trio last sang together.

So when the new movie, Dreamgirls a thinly disguised version of The
Supremes' story opens in Britain this week, cinemas are expected to
be packed. The film's mix of urban grit, outright glamour and a star-
studded cast including Beyonce and Eddie Murphy has already impressed
audiences and critics alike, garnering eight Oscar nominations and a
Golden Globe.

It tells the story of how three teenage black girls escape
the 'projects' or housing estates of riot-torn Detroit and forge a
remarkable career with the Motown record label, clocking up ten No1
singles in just three years. The names have been changed and the
songs are new but it is clear from the title sequence onwards that
this is the story of Diana Ross, Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard the
original Supremes. And it is the tragedy of 'Flo', the girl with the
golden voice, but who was later fired from the group, that provides
the real drama of Dreamgirls.

Cinema-goers will warm to the final scene, which shows a moving
reconciliation between Flo and the other girls. But if members of the
audience are tempted to feel they have witnessed something of the
truth about The Supremes in this tale of redemption, there is a woman
living quietly in the suburbs of Detroit who would rather they took
the time to think again.

For what the film doesn't show is that the real Florence Ballard died
in poverty, aged 32, from an alcohol related illness. Her final days
were scarred by excessive drinking, sadness and angry resentment as
the other members of the group went on to further fame and fortune.

As Florence's older sister knows only too well, the bust-up with The
Supremes was traumatic and final. She never sang with them again.

Now aged 64, just a year older than Flo would have been, Maxine
Ballard Jenkins, a teacher, has rarely spoken about her sister's
flirtation with stardom or her dramatic decline. But with the memory
of Flo's contribution already on the wane and a very different
version of the past now playing to huge movie audiences, she says it
is up to her to tell her sister's story as it really was.

Because for all the wealth and euphoria on view in Dreamgirls, there
is much of the other side of pop stardom that Maxine says should not
be forgotten: the complex, sometimes troubled relationship with Diane
(as Diana Ross was then known), for example, and the long, hard years
of misery that we don't see in the celluloid fantasy.

Maxine recalls the terrible rows, the drinking and the chaos that
eventually saw Florence sacked by her friends. She talks about the
fiery ambition of Ross, who, from her earliest years seemed
determined to forge ahead to stardom. And she reveals for the first
time that her sister had been raped as a teenager, an episode that
blighted the rest of her life.

YET, as Dreamgirls shows, the story began with much promise among the
tough Brewster-Douglass projects of Detroit. This was 1958, and Flo
was just 15 but old enough to have started a group of her own.

Maxine recalls: 'We were sitting on the porch, in the projects, and
Milton Jenkins, the manager of a boy group, The Primes, stopped his
car, got out and told us he was looking for a girl group.

'He asked, "Do you girls sing?" We told him we did. I didn't want to
be in the group but Flo, who knew that Mary Wilson and Diane Ross
wanted to sing, asked them to join her and they became The Primettes.
Diane was so happy that Flo asked her. She loved to sing and was
really glad to belong to the group.'

Maxine has never regretted her decision to stay out, even though she,
too, was a talented singer. She eventually married Milton and they
had five children. Somehow, she also found the time to win two
degrees at the University of Detroit.

For Flo and the others, it was the start of a dream that seemed
almost impossible in Detroit, the great 'Motor City', which by the
Sixties was torn apart by racial division and poverty. Not that Flo
or Maxine, the eighth and ninth out of 15 children born to a General
Motors worker Jessie and his wife Lurlee, were unhappy with their
lot. There was plenty of fun to be had, in particular through music.

'We used to fly around the projects as if we owned them,' Maxine says.

'There were always groups on the corner singing and we would sing in
my mother's spiritualist church seven days a week. Like everyone else
in the projects, we wanted to be stars.' The stardom and the wealth,
when it came for the sensational girl group by now known as The
Supremes, was extraordinary. Brilliantly managed by Berry Gordy, the
Motown entrepreneur who also discovered the Jackson Five, the group's
hits started mounting up.

'Flo was thrilled when they first made it big,' remembers
Maxine, 'There was a glow in her eyes. She said, "I feel like I am on
top of the world, I am so happy."

'The girls started shopping at Saks [the upmarket Fifth Avenue store
in New York]. They were so close that they all bought houses on the
same street Buena Vista Avenue, Detroit.' This sisterly spirit is a
central theme to the film, yet in real life, as Maxine recalls, it
was not long before tension and jealousy started to eat away at Flo
and her relationships in particular with Ross (played in Dreamgirls
by Beyonce) and Gordy (played by Jamie Foxx).

Some of Flo's disenchantment can be readily explained. For instance,
her figure was always on the generous side, a contrast with the
svelte Ross, who even took to padding her bottom to give her extra
curves.

In the film, Flo is portrayed as Effie (Jennifer Hudson in the film),
who first hits trouble when her weight runs out of control, and her
behaviour becomes erratic.

The film seeks to explain this by revealing that Effie is pregnant.

But the truth, says Maxine, is darker.

Flo hid deep-rooted demons and almost from the start there was an
unspoken rivalry with Ross, who was always the most ambitious of the
three.

'Diane was aggressive,' explains Maxine. 'She knew what she wanted
and she went after it.

'Back in the projects in the early days, we would all start off
walking down the street together, but Diane would always end up way
ahead of us. We weren't walking fast enough for her. She would
say, "You are all too slow.

I'll see you all later." She was always in a hurry to get where she
was going.' Then there was the drinking and what many believe were
the symptoms of serious depression.

Flo enjoyed social drinking as a teenager and hit the bottle hard
when, early on, she was pushed out of the limelight by Ross.

In 1963, Ross was appointed lead singer in her place, with Gordy
believing that Diane's higher register and softer, more commercial
sound, would play better with white audiences. He was right. The hits
began to roll in, starting with Where Did Our Love Go.

But Flo, whose strong gospel voice had been praised since childhood,
resented the fact that, in theory, she had the better, more powerful
sound.

She said: 'I ain't playing second fiddle to Miss Ross. This isn't
fair.'

She felt it was treachery. Maxine says: 'At the beginning, Flo
thought Berry was a father figure and she trusted him. But then he
betrayed her.' Worse was to follow. The alcohol compounded the weight
problem, which was easily visible to the audiences. Not only was her
behaviour unreliable, her stage costumes no longer fitted.

In public, Flo was keen to keep up appearances, where possible. She
maintained that all was well between her and the other girls and
claimed that stories about hair-pulling fights with Ross were wrong.

MAXINE, though, knows otherwise, recalling phone conversations with
Ross or Wilson that 'would end with Flo cursing and slamming down the
phone because she was so angry.' The rows got worse and in 1967
Florence was sacked by the group she founded and replaced by rising
star Cindy Birdsong from Patti LaBelle and the Bluebelles.

In this respect, at least, the film does justice to the truth. There
is a dramatic moment when, dressed in a gold suit with a mink collar,
Effie comes to rehearsal late to find she has been replaced by
another girl singer. Effie sings the show stopping number And I'm
Telling You That I'm Not Going, in which she pours out her agony.
It's an incredibly moving performance which has earned Hudson an
Oscar nomination.

Whether it was jealousy or illness that lay behind her descent into
alcoholism, no one knows, but the sacking took Flo completely by
surprise.

'My sister had arguments with the rest of the group about the clothes
they wore, the shoes, but I don't think she ever felt they would kick
her out of the group,' says Maxine.

'She never saw it coming.' But she reveals one terrible episode that
may help explain the problems that cast such a dark shadow over her
pop career: when Flo was 16, she was raped.

Maxine recalls: 'We used to go to the Graystone Ballroom to dance.

That particular night, I couldn't go, so my brother Bill went with
Flo instead. One of his friends asked Flo to take a ride with him and
she went because he was her brother's friend, so she trusted him.

'He raped her. He hurt her physically and he hurt her emotionally. He
took her virginity and she told me that she felt that something had
been stolen from her that she could never replace. I tried to help
her put the rape behind her and get on with her life, but she was so
hurt that she could never get over it.' Flo did find true love, with
Motown road manager Tommy Chapman whom she started dating in 1966.

Two years later they were married.

For a while, they were happy, and they had three children together
twins Nicole and Michelle born in 1968 and Lisa in 1972.

Not surprisingly, Ross's version of events is at odds with Maxine's.
Ross once said: 'Florence was always on a totally negative trip. She
wanted to be a victim. When she left The Supremes and the money
stopped coming in, it really messed up her head. She was just one of
those people you want to grab and shake and yell, "Get your f***ing
life together".

'If I'd known how it was going to end with Florence, maybe I would
have taken more time with her, fought her more, even though she
didn't want my help. But she got to be a pain in the ass and I
said, "Oh, forget it." Maybe I should have slapped her in the face a
few times.' IF THE film glosses over the true extent of Flo's misery,
it is not the only inaccuracy.

It also portrays her as having an affair with Berry Gordy, which
Maxine says is untrue.

The film suggests that she received a million-dollar settlement from
the Motown record label, but again this is badly wrong, says Maxine:
she got only $160,000, was forced to relinquish all royalty payments
and agree never to refer to herself as a former Supreme.

But her tawdry descent into poverty is arguably the most serious
omission of all. Maxine says: 'She was down and out. She would think
about the other Supremes, start drinking and then cry.

'She told me how hurt she was because she felt that Diane and Mary
had turned their backs on her.

She felt that they should have stood up for her more and she was
angry.'

An attempt at a solo career failed .

She was forced to sell her house and could maintain only an on-off
relationship with her husband. Her severance money quickly ran out
and Flo was reduced to living off state handouts.

'My sister was very generous in the good times,' says Maxine. 'She
bought fur coats for her friends and took them on holidays to
Barbados.

But when she needed them, they weren't there. They didn't come to her
rescue.' The film ends in true, sugar-coated Hollywood style: Effie
rejoins the group, the differences are forgiven, and all is well. In
fact, Florence Ballard was found dead in 1976, killed by a heart
attack caused by a blood clot in her pulmonary artery.

Despite the many inaccuracies, Maxine believes Florence would have
enjoyed the film precisely because it expresses her own most dearly-
held dream.

'I think Flo would have loved the movie because it ends with her
getting back with The Supremes,' says Maxine. 'She wanted her life to
end like that, to end up with The Supremes, where it all began.'
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couscous (couscous)
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im seeing a few innacuries in maxines story and i have to wonder if this book will see the light of day cause once dreamgirls leave the theaters so will the interest i think.
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Skool dem (skooldem1)
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The world has had a love affair with the Supremes for over 40 years now. Why do some people think that all interest will be gone once the movie is out of the theaters?
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TheSupremes (thesupremes)
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I also see inaccuracies in Maxine's story, and just from the few quotes that are in this story, there isn't a lot of new information.

I want to hear the day-to-day going ons after Flo was fired. What did she do with herself for 9 years? We all know the jist of what went on, but I want the details, the daily living, the despair, the hope...

Also, Tony Turner had written that in late 1975, after Flo had received the $50,000 from Gordy, she had recorded a few new songs. What ever happened to those? The book she wrote, what ever happened to that?
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Lady Mystique (Maverick) (ladymystique)
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I don't think the interest will be gone after the movie...there was interest BEFORE the movie, but not this massive.

I am interested in what Maxine has to say. :-)
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tresjolie (tresjolie)
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This is interesting. I can't wait for Marc's interview with Maxine and the book review to come out.

Thanks for the info divalish.
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nathan (nathanj06)
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Didn't Florence's proposed book wind up in the hands of Tommy Chapman and then in Motown's hands and finally into the X file?
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couscous (couscous)
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that rumor about florences book in chapmans hands has been flying round for years so maybe rick b know the real answer.
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nathan (nathanj06)
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Thanks couscous. I don't want to spread it any further if it's rumor. Wasn't that in Tony Turners' book? Go figure.
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jobeterob (jobeterob)
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I think this news reporter did the usual bad job on what people have to say. He or she sensationalized anything they could so they can get their garbage published.

Susan Whitall of the Detroit Free Press, who initially published the report, is far more reliable. Is this from England?

There will always be fan interest in the Supremes but for it to spread beyond the hard core of fans, they need Dreamgirls, they need Diana Ross on American Idol and Diana Ross out touring. Beyond that, there isn't lots of mass market interest anymore. The time for the books etc. has passed. This is why they only issued 5000 or 6000 or whatever it was of This Is The Story - because there isn't all that much interest in the story anymore.
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Motown_Fan (motown_fan)
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It is the typical sensationalized garbage you read in the British tabloids.
The headline was even sensationalized. Nowhere in the story did Maxine Jenkins say "the Supremes killed my sister."
It was trash.
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thommg (thommg)
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I read that article a few times and it seems to me that the writer had an agenda, not Maxine. The quotes from Maxine are not that far off from what she has said previously. In fact, it doesn't seem as though the writer spoke with her at all - just lifted things from other articles. Most of the article crouches a short quote from Maxine with much conjecture and misinformation from the writer so as to seem as if it is coming from Maxine.

And when did Diana Ross say this: 'Florence was always on a totally negative trip. She wanted to be a victim. When she left The Supremes and the money stopped coming in, it really messed up her head. She was just one of those people you want to grab and shake and yell, "Get your f***ing life together". Sorry but that does not sound like a Ross statement to me at all. I wouldn't trust anything this writer has to say.
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I remembering reading that in an old magazine article.
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Thommg, Diana Ross did say something fairly close to the quote used in that article.
It was from her book Secrets of A Sparrow. I don't have the book at hand, but maybe someone else does and they can find that particular quote that's being referenced.
But the London Mail writer probably did not interview Maxine Jenkins at all. It does appear that quotes were lifted out of another news story or from other sources.
I'll never forget that it was a British tabloid that basically started the Mary Wilson Vs. Diana Ross rift with a story that had the sensationalized headline: "Why I hate Diana Ross."
It was trash, pure trash.

(Message edited by motown_fan on February 02, 2007)
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Marc taylor (mellow_q)
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I spoke with Maxine on January 16

(A) As of that day, her manuscript was at the printer.

(B) She had absolutely NOTHING negative to say about either Mary or Diana.

She admitted to being angry at the other two Supremes "at one time," and that's probably where the quotes in this story were lifted from; comments she made to the press "at one time." I don't buy this story as anything even remotely current.
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Lady Mystique (Maverick) (ladymystique)
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Thank you Marc...as I saw from her post on her blog, it looks like all systems go on the project. :-)
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well lady i hope so and i hope precious jenkins release her book real soon.
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I just checked her blog, the only thing that has been updated is something about Hudson & The Oscars.
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I read this article and agree with you all that this reporter lifted things up from what Maxine said and incorporated with stories that have been around for years regarding Flo/Supremes/Gordy. Diana did say those things about Florence right after Flo died and I think Diana was angry to see that Flo had left here so early in life. Diana and Mary including Berry Gordy dealt with Florence's anger and what she was doing to herself. It took me years to think over what Diana had said but when I think of a family member and how angry I have gotten with them about getting their life together and not let things just happen, then I can understand Diana's frustration. Even Mary has spoken about her frustration with Florence. There was a huge problem going on with her and somehow our dear Florence got blinded and side tracked herself out of the most successful girl group ever.

The flip side of this is why did Motown cut Flo down to where she couldn't promote herself as a former Supreme, then have her sign away her rights to royalties. Had Florence signed that contract where she would get I think it was $5,000 for a year for the next five or so years, this would have bounded her to Motown. She had no representation during that horrible meeting with Mike Roshkind so she signed away her rights. This is what I feel is wrongful doing. Berry Gordy made sure she'd end up with nothing and to this day her voice is being sold year in and year out as one of the Supremes. Sad, sad story overall.
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Rick B. (bayoumotownman)
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Well, to put things in perspective Hartfordman, this was not something Motown did specifically to Flo but to ALL of their artists. When any artist signed to the label in the 60s, Motown usually assumed ownership of the group name and had full ownership of the music created. Berry Gordy was/is an astute businessman. He intended to make quality music that would sell to all races and generations and he was dead on! The other artists at Motown didn't have that kind of foresight.

Motown and Berry Gordy get more blame for the failure of Flo's solo career than they deserve. Flo attended that last meeting with Roshkind without representation obviously by her own volition. Had Flo been a better businesswoman she would have gotten representation BEFORE leaving Motown rather than waiting for nearly a year to do so after the fact. Also, it can be said that she chose poorly in the legal advice arena, but there were few entertainment attorneys at Motown at that time to select from. Motown took care of every aspect of Florence's life. She was now cast adrift and was obviously helpless.

It can be said that Motown, in hindsight, sabotaged Florence's solo career more in 1961 when she signed to the label than in 1967 when she left. Before becoming a star, Florence signed away any rights to any future successes as a Supreme. Business is all about controlling one's own product and Flo, like the others, were groomed as a product of BG's.

Florence's new record label, ABC, did more to let her down than Motown did. They initially thought they were signing a "Supreme" and was going to promote her as such. They saw big dollar signs and a new type of Diana Ross in her. Once they discovered they could not do this, Florence just became another female singer at that label. It was basically that she had no history as an entertainer at all at that point. The company realized they had been "duped" so to speak even though neither Flo nor Tommy understood this themselves at the signing. Then they discovered Florence's demons.

Flo made matters much worse for herself by continuing to drink, getting pregnant and unable to perform at a critical time and having her husband represent her when he had no experience or expertise. ABC simply did enough "test" recordings on Flo to realize that she was going to be more trouble than she was worth to them. They made the contractual single releases they were obligated to make, did no promotion, gave Flo a buyout of her contract so as not to have to put a substandard lp on the market and sent her on her way.

Motown did far more to sidetrack Mary Wells aspirations as a non-Motown artist than they did Flo. They were aware of Flo's issues and trusted that Flo would do herself in. They were correct.
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I always have to laugh when folks start talking about how Motown cheated Flo (and others) out of "millions" of dollars! Here we have 3 women who don't know a damn thing about accounting, they didn't write lyrics, compose music, read music, play instruments....but they DID know how to wear expensive clothes, both on and off the stage, fly first class, stay in the best hotel suites, eat and drink the finest meals & beverages, pose for photos, have limos at their beck & call, wear different wigs several times a day, buy expensive items for their family members, drops thousands of dollars at the gaming tables, purchase cars and homes at the drop of a hat, buy "drinks on the house" for important gigs, and God only knows what else.....and then complain when their individual accounts have little monies left in them! Pretty stupid! I'm sure the earned monies were taken advantage of....it happens today, but I'll never agree that there was countless millions left over when these artists left the label.
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Where's the book?
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Poor Poor Florence Ballard, she is an "Angel" you know.
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I don't know if anyone here at our "SDF" have realized this, but how the original Supremes got together as the Primettes story differs quite a bit, for example:

(1): Florence Ballard ask Mary Wilson to join a girl group.

Next! they go to this apartment and discover that there are 2 more girls also there, one of the 2 girls is Diane Ross who both Mary and Florence had seen around the neighborhood and had spoken to a few times.

(2): Florence Ballard ask Mary Wilson to join a girl group.

Florence suggest to mary that they should find another girl, Mary remembers a friend named Diane Ross, and suggest to Florence that they should ask Diane "Diana" Ross to join them as the Primettes.


Story one (1) suggest that neither Florence or Mary knew Diana/Diane Ross well enough to ask her to join their girl group, and did not actually meet her until that gathering of Milton Jenkins at the first rehearsal of the Primes/Primettes.


Yet story two (2), suggest that Mary Wilson knew Diana Ross as Diane way before that first rehearsal that Milton Jenkins put together for the Primes and Primettes (she referred to Diane/Diana as her friend, like a best friend perhaps).

(Message edited by supreme3 on February 17, 2007)
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couscous (couscous)
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maxine need to get the book out soon cause in another few month there aint gonna be the same interest in flo or dreamgirls.
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Skool dem (skooldem1)
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I have ALWAYS thought story 1- was how it happened. When they showed up, Diana was already there. That is what Mary described in her book. But on Diana's new interview that is going to air on Monday she says that Flo and Mary asked her to be in the group. So now I have to rethink what I thought happened. However it happened, it was destiny. But when you think about it, she still could have been at the "meeting" by invite of someone else. I also remember an interview where Diana mentioned that a Temptation invited her. That could still be possible. Diana did the meeting, they all decided that they were going to join this group. Her father gives her a hard time, then Mary and Flo come into the picture and ask her parents if she can join.
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Marc taylor (mellow_q)
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When I spoke to Maxine roughly a month ago, she stated that the book was at the printer. Having gone through this publishing process on three occasions myself, things do happen. Sometimes the specs from the cover designer are incorrect, sometimes the font on a particular letter needs to be adjusted, etc...

Not to get too technical here, but whenever the slightest thing is not 100% accurate when your job is at the printer, it holds up the job. Everything runs on a tight schedule. Depending on when you can get back to them or when the situation is resolved, it may be another two weeks before the printer can run your job.

I don't know the particulars with Maxine's book, such as how many copies she is having printed. However, she does have an advantage as most of the major book printers are located in Michigan where she is.

Let's hope that she'll be rolling soon. Either way, judging from the numerous threads on this Forum and elsewhere on the Internet for someone who hasn't been in the limelight for nearly 40 years , I don't think people will lose interest in Florence Ballard once Dreamgirls fades out.

I've heard some rumblings about people criticizing Maxine for releasing a book at this time to capitalize on the exposure from Dreamgirls. However, she stated to me that one had nothing to do with the other.

While I do agree that getting a book out here at this time can only help her, let's hope that she will receive the same support whenever her publishing date arrives.
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Skool dem (skooldem1)
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The Supremes have been around for over 40 years, I dont get where people are now thinking that any interest in them hinges on the movie Dreamgirls.
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TheSupremes (thesupremes)
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Ok, it's March 1st....any word on if the book is coming out? Has anyone heard anything?

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